biographical
pictured: 1990, baudrillard spotted near saint-maur-de-fosses, slowly turning into a leaf after being altered without consent of the organization by a free agent

basic stats
• birth: 1929 (reims, france)
• death: 2007 (paris, france)
• height: ~1.70m
• favorite drink: beaujolais nouveau
• residence: central paris apartment, second home in languedoc
• background: peasant grandparents, civil servant parents |
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🎲 specimen number: 1
𓁋 type: figure
⊞ quote fragments:
⍟ key operators: simulacrum = reality, consumption = sign-value, media = implosion of meaning, politics = spectacle, transparency = obscenity
⌘ external graft: debord on spectacle (society of the spectacle as precursor to simulation) mcluhan on media (the medium as environment of hyperreality) bataille on expenditure (fatal strategies and excess) virilio on speed (dromology → virtuality and implosion) barthes on mythologies (semiological critique → sign-value analysis)
⚐ counter nodes: hyperreality = emptiness and an abundance of signs, seduction = truth, implosion = generation, subjects consume objects, transparency = underproximation/blindness not excess
❏ glossary: narcotizing/mesmerizing, transpolitical, implosion, seduction-obscenity, elusive reality, virtuality, pataphysics, overproximity, transparency
◐ concepts: symbolic exchange, ambivalence, radical alterity, hyperreality, revenge of the object, impossible exchange |
▴ first impressions
i must have first heard of baudrillard a long time ago from various media-entertainment npcs, probably because of the way his cultural studies intersects with media landscapes, or maybe plasticpills constantly mentioning him had something to do with it. baudrillard is unfortunately known as the simulation disneyland guy, instead of what he actually was, a transphobic misogynist geeklord hyperinvested with differential ontologies as an attempt to escape totalitarian capture like every other frenchie during the time, but with an extra flair for anthropocentric-leaning language forms and a late predisposition towards theological prophecy. i was obsessed with him in 2023 for some reason, i think i really enjoyed how instantly attractive his writing was, it has that suffocating and slightly insolent, but straightforward vibe to it that makes reading it enjoyable, kind of like agamben, the reward arrives very early and also makes you feel smart for it.
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miscellaneous
televisions owned: at least 1 in paris apartment, probably 2 (with languedoc house).number of times appeared on french tv: ~10–15.
social
partners: unknown; he never dramatized his private life. given milieu (paris 1960s–70s, situationist circles, etc.), a conserv
ative mock estimate: 20–50 lifetime.
times had sex: impossible to know; but if averaged 1x/week across adult life → ~2,500.
advanced stats
cigarettes (hand-rolled): about 17 per day → roughly 310,000 total;
papers used ~295,000; lighters lost ~130.
coffee: about 2–3 per day → roughly 45,000 lifetime.
wine: about 1 per day → roughly 22,000 lifetime.
café table time (reading/writing): ~1.7 hours per day on workdays → about 20,000 hours total.
metro rides (paris): about 9,500 in his lifetime; paper tickets punched ~6,200.
gossip
pulled from: mike gane’s work on baudrillard in routledge in 1993
background and rupture
his grandparents were peasants; his parents civil servants. he described himself as the first of the “tribe” to study, calling this a “rupture” that defined his life. he repeatedly said he lived in a “virtual state of rupture”—with family, with the university, with politics
unlike contemporaries such as foucault, he never gained entry to the grandes écoles or became a professor. he liked to say it was a little “game” of his, choosing freedom instead of academic prestige.
odd self-definitions
in cool memories ii he summarized his life in a single, deliberately absurd line: “pataphysician at twenty—situationist at thirty—utopian at forty—transversal at fifty—viral and metaleptic at sixty—my complete history”
he once answered a background questionnaire by crossing out all options (protestant, catholic, communist, trotskyist, anarchist) and simply writing “no background”
aesthetics and culture aversion
he confessed to having an “allergy to culture with a big c,” saying cultural spectacles and intellectual cliques repelled him. he claimed he could not even stand being around three intellectuals at once: “as soon as i see three intellectuals together i run away”
he said his anti-cultural bias was partly “peasant-like,” stemming from suspicion toward institutionalized art and culture
lifestyle quirks
during interviews he was described as “thickset, like a union boss,” usually dressed in brown, rolling his own cigarettes, sweeping tobacco off the table with his hands. he laughed often, smoked, drank beaujolais nouveau, and gesticulated while answering
his apartment was simple: plain drapes, black-and-white photos (possibly his own), a large tv, video recorder, cd player, and stacks of discs—not the rarefied salon one might expect
when asked about his family’s work ethic, he said: “generations of peasants worked hard all their lives: we owe it to them to make up for their expenditure by our own idleness. … as for me i never even started work.” he declared laziness itself to be a “fatal strategy”.
playful antagonism
when asked if he had simply “surrendered to the mass media” by promoting cool memories on tv, he scrawled one word in reply: “fool”
he said he could never record an interview alone with a tape machine—it unnerved him—yet he could freely improvise in conversation
mission observations
in an alternate universe, a perfect merge between me and baudrillard distinctly picked from the synkar organization team for international relations was sent to figure out a few peculiar predispondenses that baudrillard may have, and the ways in which those quirks interact with the broader theoryverse
synkarillard, approximately four bangs after the shinighami kastro’s third monolithic event, mission observation photo
observation 1: baudrillard sometimes feels like he’s grasping for creative straws during his writing, if not for the fact that, even with the political anthropology and media theory dragging him down, he’s still has to carry the burden of being one of the most creative literary figures in philosophy. the truth is, even though almost every other frenchie beats his ass, none of them have what he has nor the dynamic range he presents it with. they’re all afraid to actually talk about the world, but he isn’t, cause he can’t see further away than his own ass to care about whether he should hesitate to phrase things in the way he does. in todays age, people like zerzan, jensen and b-chul carry all his legacy without any of what actually makes it amusing, but that recklessness can still be seen in the (now american and german) successors of critical anthropology. think of it like this, derrida, deleuze and barthes are all chads who will fuck you arrogantly, baudrillard isn’t allowed to fuck you at all, but if he could train and practice on/with you, he’d learn to have kamasutra level backblowing sex way better than them. or phrased less shrewdly, even in his late theological phase, baudrillard never truly manages to write something with any metaphysical weight to it, but the depth of his sociological studies is so dense and profound that if he had some philosophical practice he could enter the canonical conversation better than your favorite thinker.
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fragments context → the unedited context surrounding the quotes (warning: its alive/bites)
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then you have theorists like baudrillard, who outright reject dialecticism in their approach. there are some sharp attempts at falsifying marxian economics in the mirror of production.
also, marxism in its analysis offers a lot of ideas about the nature of things. it has its own perceived notions of "humanism," "nature," "anthropology," "labour." it develops specific concepts of the value form, and of labour itself, as baudrillard critiques (see pages 21–44).
so although i’d argue half of those in bold are much better at argumentation and far more convincing, figures like bataille, malatesta, deleuze, baudrillard, niko mas, and sartre have left a lasting mark that surpasses many of the other (potentially better) theorists.
i dislike hegel—not because i deny his genius, but because his system doesn’t align with my commitments at all. i haven’t read enough of him to fully rate or be inspired by him, but i did read a lot of anti-hegelian material—stirner, baudrillard, and the like—and that left a mark. it’s telling that fascists literally call hegel “the philosopher of the state.” in that sense, if anything, i stand as a villain compared to hegel’s streamlined, prophetic thought. my inspirations, by contrast, baudrillard especially, openly announce the role of chance, which i find hilarious.
"the rational and just society chosen from behind the veil of ignorance would be anarchy." based, though still subject to baudrillard’s criticisms. he wipes political philosophy off the board entirely—that’s why postmodernism must precede anarchism (sadly), except for post-civ which directly rejects the symbolic order.
baudrillard posed something fun: what if the villain isn’t a subject at all, but an object? scarier still—free will becomes tangled with the added factor of a manipulator. the real question of whether free will itself is a manipulator rarely gets asked, since “common sense” points away from it.
postmodernists themselves didn’t want this outcome; they regretted abandoning the grand narrative. only virilio and baudrillard stand as true postmodernists—critical of both modernism and postmodernism. it is precisely marxist modernism, through its industrial emphasis, that paved the way for postmodernism to take hold.
marxist modernism, with its industrial drive, created more resources than the world could contain. that surplus fractured knowledge and intellectualism beyond repair, eventually fragmenting time itself (virilio) and culminating in the collapse of time altogether (baudrillard).
not ontological nihilism, like gorgias, but political nihilism: baudrillard’s point that one cannot ever dominate the symbolic order. uncover one thing, hide another—the symbolic always dominates you.
that conspiracy is perpetuated by the us government to make you believe they had control over it—like they had control over everything else. ever read baudrillard’s the gulf war did not take place? 9/11, in contrast, is the only “real” event: everything else is preplanned, preprogrammed, screened, calculated. 9/11 is shocking precisely because the supposedly infallible machine slipped.
i get kpop girls when i search baudrillard in gifs. it’s over.
think of disneyland. why do we need it? baudrillard says: to make us think the rest is real. the rest is plastic and fake—disneyland just marks the border of that conception. now consider 9/11 again: he calls it the “mother of all events,” a moment where the real briefly permeated. for a second, you got a glimpse—then it snapped back into plastic theory. you want to take even that away? it was real. terrifying, messy, stupid. nobody expected it, offices were chaos, phones filled with panic. people screamed: “woah, our god was just wounded.” not omnipotent after all. a slip-up is one in a million, but it happens.
that disneyland example was me channeling baudrillard’s point: american cities themselves are just as illusory, just as theatrical. disneyland only exists to preserve the illusion that the rest is “real.”
according to baudrillard, women don’t exist right now—they’re creations of men.
baudrillard says: you can’t escape the symbolic order. you can only puncture it momentarily, before a new one replaces it. this isn’t terra’s view—I don’t know if they have one, and i won’t guess.
others i find interesting are bertrand russell, karl popper, ted kaczsinsky, and so on. analytical philosophers, luddites, and modernists all have sharp criticisms—but as i said in the thread, the best by far come from postmodernists like baudrillard.
i recommend paul virilio. he traces the history of war technology, comparing it to christian missions. he shows how time itself becomes fragmented and relativized, how space shifts from territory to information, how cameras destroy the present moment by snapping in and out of reality. baudrillard pushes this further: time is already lost, no argument possible. virilio also develops the idea of dromological violence—the violence of instantaneous transmission of information to your senses.
it’s not wrong, you see: you can escape realpolitik pragmatism by viewing political philosophy as social and cultural theory. you can view capitalism ontologically rather than economically. that doesn’t make it wrong—it means separating pieces, letting other parts breathe. the power of words allows this. and it’s not just fiction: baudrillard and others called it theory fiction—writing about things that don’t “exist,” but in doing so reinterpreting concepts through a unique perspective, lifting them out of their shells and giving them new life.
i’d need a clearer sense of how you’re targeting time—whether from a zerzan angle, or virilio/baudrillard, or something else. so far i’ve only made assumptions, still working through contradiction.
critical theory, in the sense of worldbuilding and system-making, sets distinctions and then creates negativities: imagining something as overpowering, an evil force to be reckoned with. this is what negativists like byung-chul han, precadio, and social critics like baudrillard do—alongside collectives like tiqqun or cuboniks. they exaggerate the power of their enemies, often nihilistically dismissing defense against them—except through a few niche methods.
deleuze and spinoza would be positivistic, whereas baudrillard and precaido are negativistic.
but still wrong. the matrix also misread baudrillard: there is no real/virtual distinction. the authentic collapses into the horror-tragedy of the past. there is no escaping the matrix.
baudrillard himself didn’t take the paranoia far enough. imagine a deceiver that isn’t a subject or personality but an object. that twist takes the chokehold further: the greatest enemy would be something not personified at all.
after reading baudrillard, i realized the proletariat class has long vanished—class distinctions don’t mean as much anymore.
what’s strange is how it shifted from baudrillard’s object-dominance to descartian subject-dominance, almost like a downgrade. the environment became like tarkovsky’s stalker: borders drawn not by travelers, but by the land itself. the land knew its own limits when people could not. and then, for some reason, i thought: what if other species could also read the borders of the land?
so the opposite would be that potentiality cannot disperse. deleuze’s virtual isn’t a list of possibilities but a field of impossibilities—undictated, unguessable. in my idea-potential notes i draw from stirner, byung-chul han, deleuze, foucault (partially), and the disappearance of ritual/myth in post-civ anarchism. it comes out as: “since material conditions are such, unique ideas may be impossible if stuck in x framework.” deleuze’s virtual critiques this, but it is also a kind of anarchist subjectivization. under this frame, ideas can re-emerge, but always altered. never the same. variant-forms get sacrificed, while tendencies persist. a hegemonic flow shapes them, but still: there’s always the chance of disruption. i think baudrillard would resist this, but conservatives aren’t afraid of “unique development” being lost—they fear current conditions failing to sustain principles. reactionary contexts recycle old ideas, re-integrating them in renaissance fashion. so: no eternal loss. my view opposes deleuze’s virtuality but aligns more with baudrillard’s dialectical accident—close, but not equal to the conservative framework.
oh yes, deleuze would hate ergonomics. half of baudrillard’s anti-marxist mirror of production is basically a deconstruction of it—living environments, technical systems, and other phenomena. solid theory-fiction. i even had an ergonomics-esque exchange yesterday with an entrant, about employees standing instead of sitting.
you can compare it to my criticism of cars. baudrillard is sharper, more systemic. my critique is closer to observation-interpretation fragments. his is full architecture. i’m still working toward that.
theory-fiction narratives—even if animals navigated language and critically thought, they couldn’t write baudrillard’s ecstasy of communication with their brains.
i’d add the anarchist angle. baudrillard (or agamben) frames anarchist terrorism as revoking the state’s monopoly on violence. virilio and arendt note that totalitarianism means terror is not only mental but physical—speed, fascism, nationalism, kamikaze as aid-ideology. the “big nonhuman other” (the nuke) is unbearable, so it gets sacralized as ultranationalism. terrorism, in this sense, presupposes a state with monopoly over violence and a population that doesn’t personally know the actor. but in city-scapes, crime is already local: are you really a terrorist if you kill inside a close-knit community? you’re a traitor, exiled, more like a serial life-thief reclaiming some “long lost liberty of stripped away power.”
baudrillard, the ecstasy of communication (p. 18): cooking food feels like an arbitrary object-interaction—simultaneously meaningless and exhausting. “appeared only as some vast useless body, abandoned and condemned.” i saw an instagram story: “i have 14 hours a day on my phone, but i only reply to one person.” time dissolves, slow dissipation, the grind of experience thinning out.
obscene, baudrillard says, because it is the ecstasy of communication itself. the spectacle avoids obscenity—no unveiling, nothing raw to conceal, nothing to hide.
just realized after finishing rituals of transparency that byung-chul han rips so much out of baudrillard.
the thing with baudrillard: there’s always a main narrative, but scattered in-between are points that barely graze something deeper. they could’ve been developed, but instead they’re folded back into the main current as faint openings.
baudrillard basically ruined my life. he says in psychoanalysis we had the pathology of staging the subject, and the pathology of structuring the jealous world (hysteria, paranoia). but today the schizophrenic suffers the over-proximity of all things. we must justify identity at all times (nothing else can), and feel the need to speak when we have the least to say. these haunt my everyday life. five days ago i had the worst schizophrenic terror i’ve ever known—failed to justify myself.
barthes released image-music-text. then baudrillard and foucault. then the bandwagon through the 90s, then ccru/standpoint theorists. carried into the early 10s. well—it is what it is.
yes, illinix excludes mimicry. but technically you’re right: today we live isolated from reality, caught in simulation. baudrillard’s view is slightly different: mimicry as “expression,” disguising oneself, then expressing that disguise to the other. simulation becomes the tool for engaging the other. luck becomes narcissistic. seduction slides to subduction. fascination doesn’t require a mirror or challenge—it can be solitary. in that sense, baudrillard aligns alea and illinix with “cold universe” and mimicry/agon with “hot universe.” not necessarily wrong. expression can satisfy without needing the other.
but still: the other will eventually convince itself. we aren’t crazy enough to overthrow our own mannerisms. i almost discovered a different personality once, making faces in the mirror. but snapped back into solitude. when expressing to the other, it’s a different type of virtuality—sometimes frightening. you risk becoming your own expression. the other may get scared that you’re becoming it. that’s when the monster you’re pretending to be feels too real—it escapes reality.
baudrillard, byung-chul han—the big names are against transparency, optimization, making visible everything society has to offer. they would rip the whole phenomenon apart.
to reframe: the philosophy of appearance and the culture war dominate the political sphere.a) language loses its form, becoming pure substance through deconstruction.b) social order forces us into the social game—everyone must engage politically and culturally, since culture bleeds into all spheres. aesthetics, imposed as ground zero, demand form over substance. consumer society enforces this: refuse the cult of the image and you’re marked antisocial.
three images:
- the premodern diogenes, the modern montage, and postmodern zizek—images of immanence, engagement, inorganic priority.
- the paranoid right-winger, oversocialized frail leftist—forced into bouts, producing stereotypes of themselves. each reduces itself to aesthetic cringe: cuteness, oversaturation of information, sentimentalism.
- the “above the rest” figure—chair of transcendentality, pretending to see truth behind deception, claiming to act on time.
they stand on cartesian ground: cars, infrastructure, superstructure, rational inquiry, eating animals, new human images, love of birth, hatred of plastic. they cannot stand the mystery of germs—they need enemies revealed, diseases to eradicate. internet positivism, human germ, optimization, transparency. they prophesy molar order, deny molecular flux, for their own benefit.
the leftist is pinned against the self-image. the schizophrenic becomes the true ultimate player—able to see every position, replicate every ideology, project identity everywhere. in that sense, not standing out is the new standing out. acceptance of products, acceptance of images. the face becomes the last philosophy: a perfect icon of the fully stereotyped self.
the leftist is pinned against the self-image. the schizophrenic becomes the true ultimate player—able to see every position, replicate every ideology, project identity everywhere. in that sense, not standing out is the new standing out. acceptance of products, acceptance of images. the face becomes the last philosophy: a perfect icon of the fully stereotyped self.
today’s zeitgeist looks like a strange blend of baudrillard, byung-chul han, deleuze & guattari, agamben, bataille—though mostly the first three.
so now i’m thinking: does baudrillard consider cosplay to be metamorphosis, or is it more like a metaphorical metamorphosis—contrary to what he says? maybe he counts all cosplay as sexual body and excludes it from metamorphosis.
i just started this section of baudrillard’s book. once i finish the metamorphosis part i’ll come back with his exact line. but speculating: baudrillard probably wouldn’t treat cosplay as expression or simulation. he’d frame it as a grand seductive body. metamorphosis into the “grand body” is the move. cosplay might be a fake metamorphosis, relying on vulgarity and spectacularization, just as the pornographic body leans on obscenity and proximity/fanciful detail. for baudrillard, metamorphosis requires an intentional cause: not just placing a body into a situation, but generating a situation around the body.
criteria? unclear. i haven’t touched grass in months—but literally, touching grass is strange unless you’re lying down or leaning, positioning the body. in that sense, it takes on a kind of pornographic mentality: obsessing over trivial details of posture or gesture for their own pleasure-value. i used to do this as a kid, focusing on random bodily details that others found absurd.
baudrillard touches on this around page 30 of the ecstasy of communication, where he talks about screens and ideology. this is me reformulating that passage through metamorphosis/cosplay.
Q: in what sense is “pedophilic” or “pornographic” being used?
“pedophilic”: the compulsion to touch something smaller than you, even knowing there’s no reason. e.g., touching individual grass strands—the moment before contact already charged with narcissistic pleasure (callois’s play forms). no seduction, no reciprocal pull, only compulsion. it borders on infantile murder—tearing grass from its pack equals infanticide of scale.
“pornographic”: once engaged, the pleasure aligns with other domains of overstimulation—porn, global news, food, aquarium staring, tree-gazing. it’s the fixation on every tiny irregularity, every micro-detail, turning interest into obsessive scanning. no real seduction, just heat, agitation, attention, saturation.
this creates no great pleasure, no actual relation to the other, no seduction. only weird antics, competitive declarations, a form of play. he may require a response to stabilize it—better it’s grounded in me than not, since that makes both of us happier.
your level of discussion is already two orders above mine—it moves straight to analogies and aesthetic categories. you invoke “cuteness as predation” (ngai), where cuteness becomes domination of the other. this is not psychoanalysis but analogy-play. i’m not saying pedophilia/infanticide are literal correlates. they are false analogies used to point to a structural mode.
baudrillard calls these moves pornographic: not pornography itself, but a narrative device—excessive observation, detail over seduction. not connection, but domination by exposure. it’s not even analogy anymore—it’s actuality, realized through the domination of this play-form over the world.
theory fiction foregrounds its own artifice. baudrillard shows that what he does is not truth-acquisition but tracing the causes of over-admiration of the image. he doesn’t claim these concepts exist—he reformulates, then occasionally actualizes them as real at the moment of conception.
(graeber) on consumption: healthy, rich, unique. multiple viewpoints anyone can agree with. surpasses frankfurt school and baudrillard—mocks disciplines that cling to narrative assumptions, while leaving space for non-truth-accusatory perspectives.
this doesn’t counter cultural critics like baudrillard or barthes. those critics never wanted to “understand” phenomena, only to reinterpret and invent. they recalibrated their narratives with maximum distance, maximum smugness. frankfurt school anthropologists, too—concerned with preserving culture, they accidentally became technicians, overinvested in method and analysis, unable to pull their heads from the toilet (a gold-plated toilet, but still).
but baudrillard argues consumer society is uniquely bad. that was his whole point. anthropologists need to engage with culture’s methods, to conceptualize and act. cultural critics float on high ground (cartoon-style, ground missing beneath them) as long as they don’t realize it. if they do, they fall. i deny understanding entirely so i can keep flying—angry to die.
althusser’s reading capital (60s) shows marxist concepts already shifting. by the 80s, baudrillard’s fatal strategies questions dialectics, historicism, empiricism, humanism. accelerationism emerges differently: marx thinks the world inevitably advances, baudrillard says “what if” it moves anywhere—desire as revolutionary force, capitalism framed as alien invasion.
baudrillard’s fatal strategies opens here: comments on marx, commodities, and the potential of re-conceptualizing them. he even notes baudelaire as having a sharper commodity theory than benjamin. so: not impossible, but demanding.
the way forward is comparative. track every mention of “marx” and “commodity” in fanged noumena, baudrillard’s mirror of production, dialectic of enlightenment, reading capital. classical critical theory vs. structural marxism. highlight differences, not “right vs. wrong.”
my stance: i have no prescriptive judgments. or rather, i do, but they’re not good, so i won’t share them. strategic silence. prescriptive thinking is dangerous—for me and the world. yet i still make judgments constantly, then cover myself by adding: “i believe the opposite too.” the problem is meta, not positional. something is happening to the world right now that blocks me from saying what it is. i haven’t fleshed it out yet. baudrillard probably has, but this feels more like a 2020+ thing.
“independent third party unbiased double blind peer reviewed authenticated impartial objective fact-checking.” the part i hate most: theory accounts using visual porn—sometimes literal hentai—alongside quotes. given that most poststructuralists were extremely anti-pornography as a phenomenon, slapping baudrillard above hentai is just idiotic.
with continental philosophy servers, the opposite problem: not form but substance. you can type ambiguously, break style, drop wacky examples—but you must deliver a strong reading of philosophers. misquote baudrillard, or botch technical presentation, and you’re done. here, propositionality rules. logical structure, categorical fluency, theory-knowledge.
i’ll be honest: for the first fifteen minutes of reading philosophy i usually want to quit, eat candy, drink water, play video games. but when i start reading barthes, baudrillard, butler, adorno, lyotard, bataille, deleuze—I laugh, i get excited like a kid. years back i didn’t know text could be this close to media content, but it is, and it’s far more intense.
butler built an ontology out of penises. barthes insulted plastic worse than turkish dramas. baudrillard described my depression better than my therapist. bataille made sacrificial rituals seem good for a week. deleuze makes me feel like i’m in a dream. i laugh when adorno complains about being annoyed when his alarm wakes him, or how walking on the street feels like always being chased. the image of a metallic object dashing by gave him paranoia. cute, sad, funny, human—reading deleuze made me realize what a true friend means.
“this will be the last war / this won’t be the last war / there will be no more wars”—all equally convincing, because all equally shite dialectical attempts. they don’t account for the urgency and intensity of the accident (baudrillard).
narrative theory (tiqqun, baudrillard, byung-chul han, preciado, others) focuses on alienation in social relations and the absence of capability. the mix is metaphysical and modal: who counts as subject, how causality develops, what agents actually do. each idea has its place.
i use them as example because i see an account full of potential—someone actively reading, inspired, acclaimed—but barely scratching the surface. intellectual vermin. their statements are shallow compared to the density they could reach. that makes me angry. i’m not the baudrillard of theory, i suck too, but at least i try to be more constructive, researched, inspired. half the time i’m improvising, yet compared to them—so acclaimed, so popular—they can’t come up with anything sharp.
negative dialectical critique usually builds moral narratives around consequences. baudrillard’s attack on porn is sharper because it avoids the usual categories—consent, coercion, wage labor—and instead opposes porn to seduction. for him it’s narcissistic rather than competitive, anatomical and medicinal rather than thrilling. framed like a moral argument, but stripped of morality.
thinkers just before debord, through baudrillard, and into the 2000s leveraged this critique against the collapse of infrastructure into streams within streams (baudrillard timed this collapse perfectly). his main criticism of marx in mirror of production is the failure to account for automatic, internalized responses. no one’s yet written a strong defense here, but i predict: after a century of this, we’ll see a schopenhauerian return—this time without metaphysics.
baudrillard isn’t usually placed at the center of anti-porn discourse, but his interventions are often more radical than the usual canon. he makes effective counter-arguments to irigaray, for example. where most anti-porn theorists lean body-positivity, his angle is seduction and symbolic violence.
my reading trend gravitates toward this: symbolic bondage. that’s why i keep circling tiqqun, baudrillard, byung-chul han, preciado, barthes, adorno.
baudrillard’s anti-pornography pushed forward figures like byung-chul han, but baudrillard himself is far more venomous to pro-sex discourse. compared to dworkin or irigaray he’s infinitely sharper. he frames porn as seduction and crime—the thriller element missing in even noir films.
extend this logic: any visible detail can be aestheticized. pornography, for baudrillard, works the same way microscopes aestheticize biology. nerds staring at cell structures: porn as prokaryotic voyeurism. the invention of the microscope birthed new forms of masturbation. mental images collapse into visible detail; experience under the microscope differs entirely from ordinary imagination. porn without the microscope is impossible, because porn is detail itself—and detail is everywhere.
baudrillard reads contradiction as a play of signs within the system’s totality. conflict, modality, problematic—each collapses into spectacle or pornography. everything meets everything, models dissolve into one another, ghostology replaces substance, time and place are erased. essence is stripped, constituents evacuated. “tolerance” becomes monolithic: a comicbook world where all things are leveled, endlessly replicable plastic toys. but it’s not just the loss of form—it’s the immediate replacement of all with fake replicas. tolerance is a false delusion unless confronted as totalizing growth above the other: a political act that tears away the veil of association to expose the real play of signs underneath.
decent list, but i can’t tolerate slander of baudrillard or deleuze. sure, baudrillard can be dull, but bataille deserves to stand with foucault: he birthed non-philosophy, anarchic refusals of mainstream foundations, micro-aesthetics.
hilarious discovery: zias stumbled into baudrillard’s definition of pornography by accident.
you’re right, though: the problem was “solved” only because people stopped caring. once a concept stops being entertained, it recedes. urgency keeps things alive; without it, they slide into irrelevance. history doesn’t mark progress—baudrillard himself would laugh at the idea.
yes, preciado is influenced by him. so is byung-chul han, tiqqun, countless others. the network runs deep. but baudrillard’s later philosophy actively rejected much of his earlier work.
i use lacan rhetorically because in current political discourse he (along with laruelle, lefebvre, karatani, weil, arendt, heidegger, hegel, etc.) gets pulled into both neo-reactionary and neo-woke thought processes. same with deleuze, adorno, foucault, braidotti, baudrillard, sayak, kant—you can throw them anywhere.
through baudrillard, the naked body isn’t seductive. seduction is the potential held just before revelation, the moment before the unveiling. once the body is exposed, every irregularity, every obscenity is obvious. the mysterious vanishes; the fetish becomes visible, banal.
for baudrillard, pornography is narcissistic because it kills play. it’s a microscopic urge toward ever-expanding detail. obscenity piles up, detail after detail, producing narcissistic joy. spectacle differs: it works precisely because it withholds detail, keeping its mystery intact. seduction, unlike porn, is a social game—woman in command, man not forced but invited. pornography assumes compulsion, that men must be seduced, which for baudrillard is repressed vision.
promiscuous, that’s the word. not provocative. promiscuity assumes men are forced into seduction. baudrillard calls that repression.
if you drop rawls or cioran for baudrillard you gain +100 iq, +16cm height, and +15% chance to find a random bag of money.
but i don’t want to get out-baudrillarded by someone sharper. there are people way better than me.
better to become accepted first, before “turning dark.” everyone does this: baudrillard, kanye, stirner with the young hegelians. keep the secret, then drop it at your peak. that’s when influence hits hardest.
even he found mirror of production valuable—enough that we should probably do a proper review (i mean we as in anyone who wants, me included).
and yes, the intelligence of evil and the lucidity pact are wild. also: the arcade project (walter), corpus (nancy).
ideology should be easier than ever to endorse—because, as baudrillard says, everything is in infinite proximity to everything else. just make sure we realize it’s ideology, a regime of signs, not material reality. beliefs must enforce the regime of signs: their correctness becomes necessary to maintain it. this creates a separate ideology that treats territory as limit. we see it in cancelling movies—not promoting, just showing. anything conflicting with the “protected mass of signs” is cut off. this mass has no sharp edge or endpoint; its tyranny lies in surrounding everything.
identity often becomes the glue for ideology. marxists embody this: belief and agreement override everything else. but ideology as performance (and acceleration) pushes identity aside. prevention may lie in post-authentic attitudes, hapticity, phenomenological discourses, or exposures that unsettle regimes of signs.
baudrillard sees obscenity as detail upon detail, endlessly expanding. but the opposite of obscenity is not morality—it’s refusing detail, refusing the spectacle. war against information’s spectacle is the attempt to reclaim seduction.
promiscuity, for baudrillard, is cheap seduction—a mimicry, a metaphor. not seduction itself, but the background details mistaken for process. the assumption that one must be coerced or assured into seduction.
baudrillard writes anti-dialectically: fatal strategies treats mainstream concepts as random errors rather than intentional systems.
what i want is a bullshit-jobs text with none of the anthropology or cultural critique. something frankfurt-school or baudrillard-esque: speculative abstraction. not attachment to community, but mapping abstract mechanisms of performance themselves.
han is deeply indebted to baudrillard, karatani, and the zizek crew, with ccru lurking in the background. baudrillard and virilio especially: han often reads like an aphoristic baudrillard, a thinker who chews the fragments others left unfinished.
my aim is to dig as far as possible into the trauma of doom—into what baudrillard calls the “four negatives.” i don’t want to dwell in doom, but to challenge it, fight it, escape it. not one theme of doom, but every attachment to it. the question is whether doom is contingent or necessary, and whether it can be battled outside signification itself. i suspect not, though i also doubt signification marks the limit. sometimes we must face doom inside the real itself. for hegel this unifies subject and object through spirit; for baudrillard it is objects themselves conspiring against us.
perhaps, like baudrillard’s narrative, our ontic condition has to mature to a stage where objects themselves acquire intention, will, experience.
this isn’t habermas or foucault territory; it pushes into a baudrillard–lacan synthesis: seduction, asexuality, primal father worship.
i mean theory of media, sure, but not in the mcluhan–baudrillard convergence sense. my critique: speculation collapses when the text is overloaded with references. they dilute rather than support the concepts. the more the text leans on scaffolding, the less speculative energy remains.
even sex can be narcissistic. baudrillard’s game typology clarifies this: mimicry and sacrifice are social games, entertainment of self by self, for self.
my favorites: the ecstasy of communication (baudrillard), mythologies (barthes), theory of bloom (tiqqun). the french side of things.
mythology - mcdonalds burger is a pure post-food type of food, but there is no act of recognition of this (this is the idea of porn as truly and purely equivalent to sex) mythologized demythology - we recognize 1., but are secretly feeding into its qualities by excitation anyways (this is sex that has a hidden porno camera) spectacle - act of revealing whereby the myth takes a non-detailed character (the myth is serialized and made animated, but doesnt exist as functional and only as the brute force of the intensity of its appearance). spectacles are mythologized demythologies (this is porn in its presentstive function, porn without sex) ritual - demythologized demythologies - interaction with pure matter without appearance. (this is sex without porn)
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then you have theorists like baudrillard which outright reject dialecticism in their approach, theres some really good attempts at falsifying marxian economics in the mirror of production
also not to mention, marxism in its analysis offers alot of ideas about the nature of things, it has its own perceived notion of "humanism" "nature" "anthropology", "labour" it has specific ideas of the value form, and in the concept of labour by baudrillard pages 21 to 44.
so although id argue half of those in bold are much better at argumentation and more convincing, sadly people like Bataille and Malatesta and Deleuze and Baudrillard and Niko Mas and Sartre have left a lasting mark that far surpasses any of the other (potentially better) theorists
i very much dislike hegel, but not in the sense that i don't think its amazing i think its genius, it just doesnt subscribe to my beliefs at all also i havent read enough of hegel to really rate it or be inspired by it but i read alot of anti hegelian stuff like stirner and baudrillard so that probably left a mark also fascists literally call hegel the philosopher of the state for a reason. if anything im a villain compared to hegels streamlined and prophetic thought my inspirations are* baudrillard openly states its all chance which i find hilarious
"The rational and just society chosen from behind the veil of ignorance would be anarchy." based, although i think its still subject to baudrillards critcisms he just wipes all political philosophy off the board thats why postmodernism must precede anarchism sadly (except for post-civ which is against the symbolic order)
Baudrillard proposed something fun here: what if the evil villian is an object rather than a subject? it becomes even scarier in that case i think its free will but with the added factor of a potential manipulator or the question of is free will potentially a manipulator itself which is rarely asked as "common sense" tends to point away from that
postmodernists themselves didnt want this to happen, they regret dropping the grand narrative only Virilio and baudrillard are the true post modernists, critical of both modernism and postmodernism its precisely marxist modernism that through its industrial emphasis paved the way for post modernism to take hold
its precisely marxist modernism that through its industrial emphasis paved the way for post modernism to take hold by creating more resources than the world could hold and ultimately leading to the fragmentation of knowledge and intellectualism to the point of no return, finally fragmenting time itself (virilio) and even the total collapse of time (as seen in baudrillard)
not ontological nihlism like Gorgias political nihlism like Baudrillards the belief you cant practically constantly become political the belief by uncovering one thing you hide another you can never dominate over the symbolic order, itll always dominate you
that conspiracy is actually perpetuated by the US government to make you believe they had control over it, like they had control over everything else ever read Baudrillards The Gulf war did not take place? 9/11 is actually the only real event everything is preplanned, preprogrammed, happens behind screens and is perfectly calculated the reason 9/11 is surpsising is because the supposedly infallable computer missed something
i get kpop girls when i search baudrillard in gifs its over
i think itll serve you more good to think of the example of disneyland why do we need it? baudrillard says this to make us think the rest is real but the rest is as plastic and fake and illusory as disneyland it serves as an arbitrary border of conception now think about 911 again he calls it the mother of all events its the event that allowed reality to slightly permeate, if not for a second for a second there you got a glimpse of the real, but then it returned right back to plastic theory didnt fully dominate :trollface: and you want to even take that away from us? it was real man, it was scary, it sucked, it was done by some losers who had some stupid prophecy to fulfill nobody expected it, and people in offices on phones were screaming when they saw it they said - woah, our god was just wounded dont be convinced by them, theyre not all mighty a slip up is a one in a million but its possible
and the disneyland thing was me expressing Baudrillards views on the fact that its as illusory as the actual american cities and that the whole thing is fictional and that the purpose of disneyland is to keep up that illusion
according to Baudrillard women dont exist right now, theyre just creations of men
according to Baudrillard, you cannot escape the symbolic order, you can only momentarily criticize and expose it but then you enter into a new one anyways this is probably not Terras view, i dont know what terras view is if they have any, neither will i try to guess
some others that i also find interesting are Bertrand Russell/Karl Popper, Ted [Redacted] and others, i think analytical philosophers, luddites and modernists have interesting criticisms, but as i said in the thread i think the best by far come from post-modernists like Baudrillard
i recommend Paul Virilio, it shows the origin and history of war technology and compares it to the christian missions it also explains how time itself is fragmented and relativized, and how space isnt about territory but about information now and how cameras destroyed the present moment by snapping in and out of reality misaligning it baudrillard takes it one step further, saying time is already lost and theres no argument to be made about it he also talks about Dromological Violence the violence of instant transmission of information to your senses
well its not wrong you see, for you can escape your realpolitikal pragmatism and view political philosophy as social and cultural theory instead you can view capitalism through its ontology instead of through its economy that doesnt make it wrong, youre separating pieces so you can get to the other parts laying behind them you can do what you want, thats the power of words, and its not that you're doing fiction they did that too though, they did something called theory fiction, specifcially Baudrillard they wrote theory about things that dont technically exist but technically also do they reinterpreted existing concepts through a unique perspective, thus technically lifting them out of their shell and giving them new life
id need a better understanding of how you're targetting time, whether its from a Zerzan perspective or from a Virilio/Baudrillard perspective, or something other i only made assumptions so far but im still going over contradiction
critical theory - in the sense of worldbuilding and system making and setting distinctions and then creating negativities, imagining something is overpowering and an evil force to be reckoned with, its what negativists do like byung chul han, precaido, and social critics like baudrillard as well as collectives like tiqqun and cuboniks do - where they over exaggerate the power of their enemies and are nihlistic about any attempt at defense against such enemies - except for a few niche methods
deleuze and spinoza would be positivistic, whereas baudrillard and precaido would be negativistic
but still wrong, the matrix also got baudrillard wrong, there is no distinction between real/virtual, the authentic becomes horror-tragedy of past) there is no escaing the matrix
he was wrong because he didnt take his paranoia far enough, i can think of a way more intelligent deceiver and lets not even talk about baudrillard, where the deceiving entity is an object rather than a subject or personality takes it to a whole new level of chokehold previously unthought of of course, the largest and scariest enemy would be something that isnt personified at all
but after i read baudrillard, i realized the proliteriate class is long vanished and these class distinctions dont mean as much
what is weird is that it went from baudrillard object-dominance to descartian subject-dominance almost like a downgrade the enviorment was first akin to Tarkovskys Stalker borders were being drawn, but not by the people travelling but by the enviorment itself the people could not know the borders of the land only the land itself can know where it is to go and then, for some reason, i decided to make it about other species that can also read the borders of the land
so the opposite of this would be that a potentiality cannot possibly disperse? as in, deleuzes virtual being not a list of possibilities but a field of impossible to dictate or guess possibilities? ⁼ethics in my idea-potential paragraph i draw upon stirner, byung chul han, and deleuze and foucault partially i talk about control societies, and the dissapearance of ritual and myth in post civ anarchism it takes the form of "since the material conditions are such and such, unique ideas might be impossible to reach if stuck in x framework of action" so, technically deleuzes virtual criticizes this historic materialism that i envoke here but at the same time it is a certain form of anarchist subjectivization you may not agree with so i can see that element i think under this framework, ideas can re-emerge but theyll always be slightly altered its not that the idea cant possibly come about again under this hegemic one, but that itll be influenced by its presence so under this framework, what is sacrificed is variant-forms, not emerging and unpredictable potentialities as such, but its also a marker of tendency the hegemic one has a chance to disrupt the flow of x idea or change its trajectory actually, i think baudrillard would be against this framework too but i always thought for conservatives it isnt the fear of dissapearance of a stirnerian "unique development" but rather the fear of current conditions not abiding by these principles? in the reactionary contexts, old ideas may always be invoked and even re-integrated in reinessance-fashion, so they dont fear eternal loss it is true my idea is contrary to deleuzes virtuality conception, and baudrillards dialectial accident - two ideas i like and usually agree with but i dont think its equal to the conservative framework in this sense
oh yes deleuze would absolutely hate ergonomics i know it half of baudrillards anti-marxism texts like the mirror of production is just deconstructing that (and also living environments among other phenomena - some really nice theory fiction) actually, i had an ergonomics-esque conversation yesterday with an entrant, specifically about employees standing instead of sitting
you can compare it to my criticism of cars, although baudrillards is notably smarter and involves more elements than my critique which seems in comparison to be more like a series of observation-interpretations in comparison to baudrillards excellent system building but im getting there
theory fiction narratives even if animals could navigate language and critically think i dont think they can write baudrillards extasy of communication with their brains ❖4-1
i would like to add the anarchist angle, i think it was baudrillard or agamben that says of anarchist terrorism as revoking the freedom of violence from the monopoly of the state over terrorism (i dont support the actions in this statement - only relaying what they said) and also virilio and arendts points about totalitarianism being the realization that terror isnt just mental but physical - it is speed, and fascism- manifested through nationalism and kamikaze as an aid-ideology in regards to the terrorism of the big non human other (the nuke) which is for most people too much to handle (so they create a religion - ultranationalism) to come to terms with it out of cult-like acceptance to it but this connects to what you're saying, terrorism requires a state with a monopoly over it - and a population that you dont personally know also, in a way most forms of criminalism arise in the city scapes too are you really a terrorist, or even a criminal if we're a close knit community and you kill one of us? you're more like a traitor that we must banish than some calculated serial life-thief that committed a number-crime to regain some "long lost liberty of stripped away power"
as baudrillard says in page 18 of the extasy of communication, cooking my food felt like a random arbitrary interaction of objects, and simultaniosuly like a total and complete waste of time, due to the fact that it all "appeared only as some vast uselss body, which is [being actively and already has been] abandoned and condomened" i saw an instagram story today "i have 14 hours a day on my phone yet i only reply to one person regularly" where the fuck is the time going it doesnt even exist anymore its a slow grinding towards dissapation that we are experiencing ❖4-2
it is obscene as baudrillard says because it is the extasy of communication, the spectacle avoids obscenity because it is not the raw unveiling without anything to prevent it, nothing to hide it
every reference of screens in baudrillards extasy: ❖4-3
• modern arhitecture is to baudrillard an anti monument because it is an intentional operation that demonstrates culture - and as such the architectural buildings are screens where movement is displayed - and the public space is an infinite circulation and ventilation (both metaphorically and literally) due to the fact that
• the presence of television transforms everything else into a useless body the moment the concept of the screen is introduced into the living space
• the work process and living place itself becomes a screen - the private space's stage becomes a screen itself
• the living area becomes an operating area where the screen has telematic power and the capacity to regulate everything remotely
• the vechile becomes a bubble where everything outside of it including the landscape unfolds "as if it were a television screen" and through a window that acts as a screen
• in the image of the television, our very bodies become screens, but specifically monitoring ones
• the cause of the screen is the scene and the network
• the entire universe unfolds as a screen on your home device, so all mystery is removed from it - and it acts as if it were microscopic pornography - the stage is destroyed, it is no longer a ritual secret between actors but a giant monitoring banquet where all are involved
• the schizophrenic becomes a pure screen and absorpition, he cannot produce his own limits therefore himself as a mirror - it is not a loss of reality - but an absolute proximity to everything around him
• to find oneself everywhere is all that matters today - and it is done by projecting oneself onto every screen - by becoming what is projected and by demanding that you are projected simultaniously
• since everything exists in all horizons and everything becomes possible and discovered - imagination itself ceases - which causes withdrawal from the inhuman extrapolation itself - and personal horizons dissapear - being reduced to and becoming manipulations of images and screens rather than personal explorations
• in sex, the body becomes a surface and a direct correlate rather than a mystical entity of possibility, and we are looking at it wishing to discover something as if we were looking at a screen of under a microscope wishing for sexual detail
and i just realized after finishing rituals of transparency that byung chul han rips so much out of baudrillard
thing is with baudrillard there is a main narrative but a lot of scattered in between points that barely graze the surface of something that could've been delved in deeper but was spared to instead be integrated into the main narrative as a slight opening
actually baudrillard basically ruined my life Image Image he says in pscyhoanalysis we had the pathology of the staging of the subject and the pathology of the structuring of the jealous world (hysteria and paranoia) but today the schizophrenic is in terror due to the over-proximity of all things yet we must justify our identity at all times (nothing else can) and also we feel the need to speak when we have the least to say these things haunt my everyday life 5 days ago i experienced the worst schizophrenic terror ever i had to - and failed - to justify myself
barthes released image/music/text then baudrillard and foucault and all these jumped on the bandwagon and carried it to the 90s and then after that ccru/standpoint theorists and all those carried till early 10s early 10s is... well it is what it is
yep, illinix definitely excludes it as for mimicry, technically you are correct in that sense, that today we live isolated from reality in simulation of virtuality but baudrillards conception is a bit different, he sees mimicry as "expression" he sees it as disguising oneself as something else, and then expressing that to the other so in that sense, to him the simulation is the tool used to engage with the other and in luck, he sees chance as narcassistic he compares seductio to to subductio, seduction to fascination and fascination doesnt require a mirror or a challenge - it can be solitary so hed say its alea and illinix that are the "cold universe" and mimicry and agon the "hot universe" but its not necessarily a bad call that expression can satisfy us with no requirement for the other so maybe you have a good point there but i feel like the other will be fully convinced, we wont we arent crazy enough to convince ourselves of our own mannerisms ive only almost discovered a different personality when making funny expressions in the mirror but then i snapped back into solitary soon after definitely, when i am expressing to the other it is a different type of virtuality than one of reality sometimes, the other will really get scared that you are becoming your own expression they will be like okay stop that, thats scaring me - the monster that you are pretending to be is becoming a little too real it is escaping reality
baudrillard, byung chul han, all the big boys are against transparency and optimization and making visible everything society has to offer i feel like they would criticize and rip the whole phenomenon apart
so to rephrase, the philosophy of appearance and the culture war singlehandedly account for the entirety of the political sphere today, because a) language is losing its form, it is becoming purely substance due to the deconstruction of the internet b) due to the social order, we all have to play along the social game, that means we must both engage politically and begin with culture that leads into all other spheres, because the forceful presupposition of aesthethics by the social order necessitates that as the starting ground, and the requirement of form over substance asserts itself into the physical body rather than the statements of the people this is because of consumer society - you are seen as anti social if you dont involve yourself in the cult of the image - you so must replicate the sign dogma c) 1 - the image of the premodern diogenes, the modern montaigne and the postmodern zizek are images of immanence, of engaging for the sake of engagement, of prioritizing inorganic and condemned manner over a pre scripted setting 2 - the paranoid right winger and the oversocialized frail left winger are put into bouts - and they must become stereotyped versions of themselves lest they risk layering into one another their views on state, ethics, gender, image and culture industry shape their respective aesthethical compositions one of them engages in cringe (the leftist) overproduction of cuteness, information and expression, the other (right winger) engages in a constant battle of wits - they are the ever present character "above the rest - sitting comfortably in their chair of transcendentality" they act as if they "see through the deceptiveness of something and realize its true nature and am able to act on it on time" they believe in cartesianism and their assured and comforting place is the start of their own mind seperate from corporeal reality this is why they believe in cars, and infrasturcture vs superstructure and rational inquiry, and the eating of animals, and love the image of the birth of a new human they also cant stand when something isnt plastic - they cant stand the mystery of germs they want to eradicate diseases (they believe in a visible enemy - hidden but suddenly revealed) and to become the disease (internet positivism, human germ, ultimate optimization and transparency) they prophesize a molar (realpolitik) order, they deny the molecular for their own benefit the leftist is pinned against his own self image these are only fixed divides though the ultimate player is the schizophrenic with total over proximity to everything they are every position, every ideology, but still might act like they agree with one so they can replicate their own identity everywhere - so they can see themselves everywhere in that sense, todays fear isnt of not standing out, but of not standing in in place of everything else thats why ideologies and products are actively accepted, they are a perfect image of the (now fully stereotyped self) and the image of the face is the only philosophy left that is todays political zeitgeist according to some weird mixture of baudrillard, byung chul han, d&g, agamben and bataille, anyways (but mostly the first 3)
so now im thinking, does baudrillard not consider cosplay to be metamorphasis, or is it an example of a metaphorical metamorphasis, contrary to what hes saying? maybe he considers all cosplay as sexual body and doesnt count it that way
i just started reading this part of baudrillards book, when i finish this metamorphosis part ill come back with what hes trying to say, and if im inspired maybe ill try to create some original interpretation too baudrillard likely doesnt see it as expression, or as simulation, but as some sort of grand seductive body, i would guess the metamorphosis into the grand body so to speak would he say that, the cosplayed body is one that is faking a genuine metamorphasis due to its over reliance on both vulgarity and spectacularization? the same way the pornographic body is overreliant on obscenity and over proximity/fanciful detail to him, metamorphosis may have to have an intentional cause, not something that fits a body into a situation but that creates a situation around the body intentionally but ill check that out later and come back here when ive figured it out
what is the criteria? i havent touched grass in genuine months but like in the literal sense of the word, thats kind of weird unless youre like sitting on the grass and positioning your body in a certain way or leaning on your arms touching grass is kind of pedophilic/pornographic mentality, it is being obsessed with trying to find details in it for personal pleasure i actually did this as a kid, i tried to overfocus on random details of things people always found it absolutely proposterous
b) baudrillard talks about it around page 30 of the ecstasy of communication, the book we talked about regarding screens and ideology so its just my re formulating of that
Q: In what sense of the word is "pedophilic" being used or "pornographic"
it is pedophilic in the sense that you have an awful urge to touch something a lot smaller than you, and even if people look at you weird you cant help yourself touch all the little grass strands - the moment before engagement with the grass, but deep down you know theres no reason for you to do that beyond your own narcassistic pleasure (calliois 4 forms of play) and the other isnt feeling anything of what you're feeling (there is no process of seduction involved) this is disgusting, anyways, in a way its also infantile murder, cause you ocassionally feel the need to tear up a strand of grass and cut it from its pack, which is equal to infanticide or murder anyways, its pornographic in the sense that, once you do start engaging with it past original motivation, what you gain pleasure from is the same audiostimulant pleasure we gain from porn, from global news, from food, from working arts and crafts, from staring at an aquarium, or outside your car, or at a tree - and that is focusing on every small little part of something, trying to find irregularities, getting hot and flustered over the details looking at an organic body as it stands before you, and being weirdly interested in every part of it - although there is nothing in actuality to be fond of, no great pleasure, no actual engagement or seduction with the other beyond your weird antics. well for one his declaration is a form of competitive play between us, which is exciting, but also if you dont like that aspect, you could interpret it as he will be writing an essay about this anyways, and just so happens that he requires my response about it first but id rather he base something he does on me than not, that makes both of us substantially happier
this level of discussion entered by you now, and the interpretation that subsequently follows happens to be one to two orders of magnitude above mine what you are referring to is the analogies as they happen to relate to the action directly - and the aestherhic categories they invoke (cuteness as predatoriness - cuteness is always found in sexually dominating the other , ngai's aesthethic categories) which is a seperate and very fun discussion on its own this isnt psychoanalytic in nature, because they are false analogies, i am not trying to use metaphor to point to a real correlation in the world, but a fake correlation between this and baudrillards book because i used the words pedophiliac and pornographic the way baudrillard uses it in his narrative philosophy, we use those to denote the observational quality of the actions, not trying to actually connect doing them to the subset of totally different things (pedophilia, infanticide) as for pornography, baudrillard believes it to be a product of this narcassism, not the other way around so then it doesn't even happen to be an analogy but an actuality that is realized by the domination of this type of play on the world itself
they are not based at all on truth acquisition, this book i am referencing is a prime example of theory fiction and theory fiction regularly foregrounds its own artifice but baudrillard believes that what he is doing is underlining and tracing the causes for the over admiration of the image so its not necessarily so that he believes these concepts dont exist, but that he re formulates him and then that ocassionally actualizes them as real at the moment of their conception
(about graeber) look at his thoughts on consumption, so healthy, rich and unique, so many unique viewpoints, everybody can agree with them, they surpass frankfurt school and baudrillard, make fun of disciplines that hold narrative assumptions yet hold doors open for non truth-acquisatory viewpoints
it doesnt necessarily present a counter point to cultural critics like baudrillard and barthes and others they were never trying to understand the phenomena present they were trying to make interpretations that they had fun with, that they thought they could push a narrative through they invented new concepts, re calibrated what they saw into their own literary narrative and fiction they approached everything with maximal distance, and maximal stuck-up-assness same with frankfurt school anthropologists, it seems, care more about current culture and what can be done with it they have to, thats how they engage with and preserve the world, so, they accidentally become "technicians" of sorts they get a little too interested in how these systems work exactly and what we can do with them and they fall too deep into the method and analysis to get their head out the toilet but its a very good toilet, a gold-layered one
no you're right but thats the thing baudrillard actually argues is so bad about consumer society that was the whole point about my argument up here that cultural anthropologists need to engage with the methods of culture to conceptualize it and come to agreements about future action whereas cultural critics are able to have the luxury of standing on a high ground (without an actual bottom below them like in a cartoon) as long as they dont realize there isnt a ground they're standing on they can keep floating there or if you're someone like me that intentionally denies understanding so i can keep flying around man too angry to die
even in Althussers Reading Capital cruical marxist concepts are questioned and totally changed and this was in the 60s in baudrillards fatal strategies, in 83 hegelian dialecticism is questioned to an extreme extent fanged noumena is a collection of writings from 87 till 2011, so it easily caught onto althusser, onto baudrillard, onto a shit ton of writings that could have been vehemently opposed, first of all to dialecticism, then to historicism, then to empiricism and humanism, then to a ton of other ideas that marx had at the time i dont think accelerationalism is convinced that the world will move in one any direction unlike marx its really a "what if" that builds on deleuze theory of desire and tries to frame capitalism as the real revolutionary force, and an alien invasion that comes from the future and is some type of accidental and chaotic unpredictable choasmic force of identity-forming
for example this is how fatal strategies by baudrillard begins, and this is how it later enfolds into a couple of comments on marx and commodities and the inherent potential of conceptualizing them in certain ways over others he even gives an example of baudelaire having a way more intelligent theory of commodities than walter benjamin who came after him, so as i said not that this is impossible
but yeah i think the place we can start monkey is just finding every single mention of "marx" and "commodity" in fanged noumena, in baudrillards mirror of production and in either dialectic of enlightenement or reading capital, depending on if we want to look at classical critical theory or structural marxism so ill locate and save those i guess ultimately what im trying to say is the best thing we can do is do a comparative analysis between these thinkers on this topic and just highlight the differences, not to search right from wrong
im somewhere between i have no prescriptive judgements, why dont i have any prescriptive judgements, i have prescriptive judgements but theyre not good, i have prescriptive judgements but i wont share them for strategic reasons, i need to have prescriptive judgements and itll be dangerous for me and the world for me to have prescriptive judgements, and i make prescriptive judgements all the time anyways, but i can save it by just saying i believe the opposite too the problem is cruical, it isnt just a meta investigation i can feel something is happening to the world right now thats stopping me from being able to say anything anymore i cant tell exactly what that thing is yet, i havent fully fleshed out the theory baudrillard probably explains it somewhere though but this probably more of a 2020+ thing
"independent third party unbiased double blind peer reviewed authenthicated impartial nonpartisan objective fact checking" its fine i transcribed the important part what i hate the most is theory accounts that use visual and sometimes literal pornography to lure people into reading it makes no sense to me, given most post structuralists were extremely anti pornography as a phenomenon so to slap a baudrillard quote right above a hentai image is just stupid
with continental philosophy servers the opposite is the problem not how much you control the form of your typing, or the way you make the statements, but the substance. you could be extremely ambigous with words or use wacky out of line examples, but you have to present a good reading of philosophers or theyll point it out your interpretations can be your own unique formulations or you can be out of line with what you're saying, but say baudrillard said something he didnt, or make a technical mistake in the presentation of the argument and you're fucked with kane, i assume the technical presentation problem also persists but there the focus is i assume more on propositionality, logical structure and knowledge of categories and theories
since im as passionate as possible about it, ill be as honest as possible about why usually when reading philosophy for the first fifteen minutes at any given starting point i want to stop reading immediately and eat a shit ton of candy, drink water and play video games but if i start reading barthes, baudrillard, butler, adorno, lyotard, bataille, deleuze ill start laughing my ass off and being excited by the text like a little kid like, years back i never knew text could be more or anywhere near as close as interesting to media content but it isnt just as exciting, its far more
butler has created a whole ontology around penises, barthes insulted plastic more brutally than the worst offenses in turkish dramas, baudrillard described my sad condition better than my actual therapist bataille made me think sacrifical rituals are actually a good thing for a few weeks deleuze, just reading him i feel like im in some weird fucking dream i laugh when adorno talks about how annoyed he is when his alarm wakes him up or how he feels like whenever hes on a street hes always actively running and being chased away by something even when hes not just by the idea a fast metallic object may be dashing towards him gave him predatory paranoia its just idk, very personal and cute and human and funny i connect to it deleuze made me realize what a true friend means
the statements this will be the last war, this wont be the last war, and there will be no more wars sound equally convincing - because theyre equally shite poor dialectical attempts (they arent aware of the urgency and intensity of the accident (baudrillard))
narrative theories like tiqquns, baudrillards, byung chul hans, preciados and many more focus explicitly on alienation in social relations and the lack of capabilities of acting agents rather than their possibilities the place where these problems mix is free will mixes with modal metaphysics mixes with which theory we use to determine who are the subjects, how does the causality develop and all these things - so all these ideas have their place
the reason im using them as an example its because i see an account full of potential, someone that is obviously actively reading, inspired and highly acclaimed that seems to barely be scratching the surface, an intellectual vermin, a very harmful figure they have more substance and more content and more interesting sentiments than most theorygram accounts, and thats precisely what makes me angry im not saying im the baudrillard of theory, i suck ass as well, but even i somehow make more constructive, well researched and more inspired statements when im talking out of my ass half the time, when this person has a popular account and literally all day long to come up with the most hardhitting shit
and negative dialectical often involves creating a narrative about its consequences but for example baudrillard does a good job on hating on porn for all the reasons you wouldnt expect like, nothing to do with the common talking points about consent, coercsion, wage labour and all that he goes to contrast it with seduction, claiming its narcassistic rather than competitive, anatomical and medicinal rather than thrilling it is phrased as a moral argument, but its nothing to do with morality in the way we're usually used to talking about it
those that came slightly before deboard in the context of the big turn of the 20th century, and everyone that came after all the way until baudrillard (before the big 2000s total infrastructural collapse of mainstream into mini-streams - literally prophesized in perfect timing by baudrillard himself) also leveraged this concept of play massively against everyone else, especially the modernists in fact, baudri's main criticism of marx in the mirror of production is his assumed inability to factor in play all of this is internalized automatic response by me though, still havent found a good paper criticizing play at last if there is one this has been going on for a while there will be a cold and dark return of schopenhauerianism - this time with the metaphysical component missing completely (this is my prediction)
most wouldnt think of baudrillard as very important either in this field but hes more radical than most of them tbh he makes something pretty good counter arguments to irigaray on multiple ocassions list is mostly made up of body positivity anti-porn theorists my favorite are anti-body anti-porn ones
thats a reading trend of mine if youve noticed, its a form of symbolic bondage. thats why i enjoy reading tiqqun, baudrillard, chul han, preciado, barthes, adorno so much
baudrillards anti pornography inspired thinkers like byung chan, i think baudrillard is the real venom to queer pro-sex thinkers baudri is a million times more radical than dworkin, irigaray, name literally anyone he brings a type of seductive thriller that even film noir movies cant capture and the whole point of those movies are seduction and the thrill of crime
so anything that may have any type of visible detail to us can probably be made to seem like our "aesthethic non ethical compassion" should extend to it actually no we can microbiologize aesthethics too, thats what porn is it is nerds with microscopes being horny about prokaryote cells structure biology images when the first microscope was invented a new type of masturbation occured because the mental images involvement in masturbation differ in quality, porn is a new type of experience for most people porn cant exist without the microscope and the microscope shows details and stories so details and stories are everywhere
as we can see, baudrillard finds the contradictory elements as a larger play of signs, and as a part of the totality of the system. all conflicts, all modalities, all problematics, all systemic confrontations are reduced to images and to either theatric performances in the form of spectacle, or of obscure and vulgar encounters in the form of pornography. furthermore, it meets things together, it locates and assimilates all models into one, reducing its component parts into ghostology, ridding its substantive structure and removing its time and place, allocating it and therefore replacing its eternal essence, its constitutents. tolerance becomes monolithic, it becomes singular, it creates a type of comicbook scenario where all things are on equal levels, an interdisciplinary vortex that meets all with all. but id argue its more than that, its not just the original parts meeting without their form, without their viability. id argue it cant be. rather its the silent and immediate removal of all things with fake replica, with plastic toys. tolerance becomes a plastic toy that exists and replicates between people. thats why the new form of tolerance is nothing but a false delusion that can only be accessed through a total confrontation and achievement of totalizing growth above the other - a fully political act that removes the hidden veil of association to reveal the real act of signs underneath.
yeah this is a pretty decent list as well, but i cant tolerate your slander of baudrillard and deleuze
although baudrillard is ocassionally dull i can give you that i think bataille deserves the same spot as foucault because bataille gave birth to philosophical non philosophy or non anarchist anarchy or denial of mainstream foundations or micro-aesthethics
i just found out something absolutely hilarious and ridiculous zias accidentally discovers baudrillard's definition of pornography
by the way, yes, you solved a part of the problem, most people shrugged it off. as the concept stopped being relevant at some point. as people stopped entertaining it. and since it wasnt urgent, it may have taken the backrow. history doesnt always (or ever - baudrillard) indicate progress?! wow!
yes preciado is influenced by him. these guys are all influenced by baudrillard, byung chul hun, tiqqun, etc, his network runs deep there but baudrillard in his later philosophy dismissed his earlier works
the reason i employ lacan in rhetoric is because in current political discourse you can use laruelle lacan lafebvre karatani weil arendt heidegger and mainly hegel for neo reactionary thought processes and deleuze adorno foucault braidotti baudrillard sayak and mainly kant etc for neo woke thought processes
this is repulsive to me through baudrillard, there is nothing seductive to me about the naked body what is seductive is the idea of its perfect or ideal form being denied, the potential it has right before it is shown once you notice the naked body you also notice all its irregularities and obscenities all its imperfect details this cannot be seductive, this is already proactive it isnt mysterious, its the widely visible fetish
in baudrillard, pornography is seen as narcassistic in that it disables play. its seen as a microscopic urge towards unspotted and ever expanding details. this is seen through the perversion of obscenity, where more details lead to more narcassistic joy. what is different from it is the spectacle, which cannot be obscene as it portrays its mystical element through the lack of detail. in other situations, seduction is a play that involves both sides, a social play that the woman is in command, yet the man does not need to be forced to indulge in, as then this wouldnt be seduction but a type of vulgar assumption they need to be forced to be seduced (provocation) its a whole thing
promiscuous thats the word, not provocative, thank you promiscuity assumes men need to be forced into seduction (in baudrillard) its a type of repressed vision
if you drop rawls or cioran for baudrillard you gain 100 iq immediately and grow 16 cm taller in height and also have a 15% increased chance to come across a random bag of money
but i dont wanna get out smarted by someone better at baudrillard than me like way better too
its much better to become accepted first, before "turning dark" everyone does this, baudrillard, kanye etc... everyones always done that they keep a dark secret, like stirner with the young hegelians, and release it at the cruical moment or peak of their positive influence
even got him to read baudrillard, and he even found a lot of value in the mirror of production, which we'll make a longer review of some time soon (by we i mean anyone who wants including me)
that exists? the intelligence of evil and the lucidity pact by baudrillard goes crazy. the arcade project by walter. corpus by nancy
it should be easier than ever now to endorse ideology, since as baudrillard says everything is in infinitely close proximity to everything else just, make sure we realize it's ideology or a regime of signs, and not material reality we are looking at. their beliefs are required to enforce the regime of signs, they must be assured of the correctedness of their approach and endorsement for the ideology to function on their behalf. this is its own seperate ideology that sees the territory as the end limit. it is shown in things such as cancelling movies for showing (not promoting) simply showing material a status quo doesnt agree with anything that has a certain relationship to qualities deemed conflicting should be cut off from the large "protected mass of signs" so to speak not that this protected mass of signs doesnt have a critical endpoint or sharp edges, just that it is the tyranny surrounding all contents. sometimes they might feel identity is the more necessary glue between that and agreement over belief itself if you are in the marxist camp, you act as the marxists do, irregardless of everything else. the ability to perform ideology (and accelerate it) mostly puts all of this to the side in a way maybe we can prevent this with things such as post-authentic attitudes, hapticity, certain phenomenological discourses or certain exposures outside of regimes of signs (in the sense of transsemiotics etc). you can compare all of plato and aristotels politics, ontology, gnoseology and ethics with one another, all youd have to do is let go of 99% of things they said. not that the identifications would be wrong, but that the context of their arrivals would be starkly different from the logic of the subsumation. so that appearances of false endorsements come about so that regimes of signs are intertwined, are exposed, are forgotten or highlighted, take a certain performative act, a spectacle of information the obscenity of the intricacies of the text itself and the ever increasing detail, put to war against their reduction as a spectacle, as the opposite of obscenity according to baudrillard
in baudrillard, promiscuity is simply a cheap form of seduction, a mimicry, a metaphor of seduction, or my favorite way of describing it by him - the idea you must be coerced and assured of being seducedbut im guessing by promiscuity you just mean the background details of the seduction without the process or relation and not baudrillards notion
baudrillard also helps us to think anti-dialectically in books such as fatal strategies, framing the mainstream conceptualizations as random mistakes rather than intentional exercises
i want to write a bullshit jobs with none of the anthropology or cultural critique. more abstract like a frankfurt school or baudrillard type of speculative analysis. i want to just talk about the abstract mechanisms behind the performance without the attachment to a community that can give feedback about it as a phenomenon its interesting and needs to be seperated and abstracted
i think han is heavily inspired and draws from baudrillard, karatani, and the zizek crew as well as ccru. especially baudrillard and virilio though they serve to draw most of his philosopgy hes actually like a slightly more aphoristic baudrillard when you want to chew baudris thought you go to han and finish it
and so, then, when ive liberated death from doom, my goal is to dig as deep as possible in the trauma of the doom of the pure doom concepts, aka the "four negatives" on the table my goal is obviously to escape doom, because i dont like doom, so its to challenge doom as much as possible essentially i dont have one concept of doom or think it only attaches to one theme, but i want to challenge it. over the question of whether we are able to actually battle doom, and whether its contingent or necessary, i have no idea, thats what makes it scary i think the other important question is whether we can fight it outside of signification at all. like for the record i dont think signification is the limit either, i think sometimes we must face it Inside of the real itself whether this is actually possible or not, idk part of hegel and baudrillards thing (but from two opposites sides) is to attempt to achieve this state by achieving the unification of subject and object, of course except one thinks its good and happens through spirit and to the other, the objects are coming out to get us instead
like maybe like baudrillards narrative, our ontic condition needs to reach a certain stage to allow objects to will or intend or experience
like not the habermas foucault etc readings, its just way beyond that point into a baudrillard-lacan synthesis that talks about seduction and asexuality and primal father worship etc
theory about media i suppose. or media analysis yeah. but i didnt mean the mcluhan-baudrillard line of the convergence between the platform, the belief and the point, but quite literally i think the text stops being speculagive if its crowded with references like if references serve to distract from the concepts rather than support them, it becomes diluted, whatever speculative or conceptual value the text has i think this drowns it
even sex can be narcassistic but i get what you're pointing at. baudrillards distinction on types of games. mimicry and sacrifice are social games, self entertainment towards oneself and towards the world by oneself are narcassistic
my favorite is the ecstasy of communication by baudrillard or mythology by barthes or maybe tiqquns theory of bloom from the french side
▴ works
click on any of the books to read any material synkar has written in regards to them
guide: ✦ counter text ✧ review ❖ fragments ✗ n/a

- the system of objects ✗

4. seduction ✗

2. the agony of power ✗

5. america ✗

3. the intelligence of evil ✗

6. cool memories ✗
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graph 1: system of objects, underlining the atmosphere vs. design dualism
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graph 2: every screen analogy in “ecstasy of communication”

america
“the extermination of the indians put an end to the natural cosmological rhythm of these landscapes, to which their magical existence was bound for millennia. with the arrival of pioneer civilization an extremely slow process gave way to a much quicker one. but this process itself was overtaken fifty years later by the tracking shots of the cinema which speeded up the process even more and, in a sense, put an end to the disappearance of the indians by reviving them as extras for westerns. in the space of two centuries, it was the destiny of the indians to know successively extermination, then romantic and archaeological resurrection, and then simulation through the westerns.”
- baudrillard
the transparency of evil or the lucidity pact
we are in the midst of an immense process of revisionism—but not in an ideological sense. history itself is what we are revising, and we seem anxious to finish the job before the end of the century. do we perhaps nurture the secret hope that, with the coming of the new millennium, we might be able to start all over again with a clean slate? that somehow we can restore everything to its original state? but when exactly did that state exist—before the twentieth century? before the french revolution? how far can this process of reabsorption and smoothing out take us? it can certainly occur very quickly—witness the events in the east. this is precisely because there is no construction involved, but rather a massive deconstruction of history, which has assumed almost viral, epidemic proportions. maybe, after all, the year 2000 will never occur, as i speculated long ago, for the simple reason that the curve of history will have become so accentuated as to create a reverse trajectory, with the result that the temporal horizon will never be attained. history, in that case, would turn out to have been an asymptote: an infinite curved line tending toward its own end, yet never reaching it, veering off at the last moment in the opposite direction.
- baudrillard
cool memories
“the only response to the missiles: decoys and simulation. an aircraft carrier, a nuclear power station, a simulated metropolis with the same mass, the same potential energy and the same temperature profiles – ultimately every target could surround itself with an infinite number of decoys serving as a protective halo. this was numa’s idea, when, as king of rome, he had twelve identical shields made in order to prevent the original sacred one sent by the gods from being stolen.”
- baudrillard
the gulf war never took place
“i think itll serve you more good to think of the example of disneyland - why do we need it? baudrillard says that disneyland exists in order to make us think that the rest of civil society is more realer in retrospect to it, but the rest is as plastic and fake and illusory as disneyland - it serves as an arbitrary border of conception. now think about 911 again, he calls it the mother of all events, its the event that allowed reality to slightly permeate, if not for a second. for a second there you got a glimpse of the real, but then it returned right back to plastic. theory didnt fully dominate, and you want to even take that away from us? it was real man, it was scary, it sucked, it was done by some losers who had some stupid prophecy to fulfill, nobody expected it, and people in offices on phones were screaming when they saw it. they said - woah, our god was just wounded. dont be convinced by them, theyre not all mighty, a slip up is a one in a million but its possible, disnelyand exists in order to make amends to this slip up, and you dare declare that 9/11 was an inside job? the only reason you’re saying that is to regain the control you lost”
- synkar
the ecstasy of communication
“as baudrillard says in page 18 of the extasy of communication, cooking my food felt like a random arbitrary interaction of objects, and simultaniosuly like a total and complete waste of time, due to the fact that it all ‘appeared only as some vast uselss body, which is [being actively and already has been] abandoned and condomened’ i saw an instagram story today ‘i have 14 hours a day on my phone yet i only reply to one person regularly’ where the fuck is the time going it doesnt even exist anymore its a slow grinding towards dissapation that we are experiencing”
- synkar
on seduction
“in baudrillard, pornography is seen as narcassistic in that it disables play. its seen as a microscopic urge towards unspotted and ever expanding details. this is seen through the perversion of obscenity, where more details lead to more narcassistic joy. what is different from it is the spectacle, which cannot be obscene as it portrays its mystical element through the lack of detail. in other situations, seduction is a play that involves both sides, a social play that the woman is in command, yet the man does not need to be forced to indulge in, as then this wouldnt be seduction but a type of vulgar assumption they need to be forced to be seduced (provocation) its a whole thing”
- synkar